i am getting realy close to wanting to punch some FMs i the face the weapons are ******* broke the HMG does less damage then any weapon tell me how is that possible and use LOGIC

Hi guys,

We are performing final tests on an update today. As long as all goes well and the game doesn't explode we will be deploying some changes to the TAC as well as fixing the explosives skill that wasnGÇÖt working. The TAC has clip size reduced to 18, increased dispersion when hip firing and a lower ROF cap.

WeGÇÖll be watching carefully to see what kind of impact this has on weapon performance.

CCP Wolfman

game balance of course... look at its ROF its double that of an SMG so of course the damage has to be lower the problem with it isnt the damage its the range if it had the range of an AR it would be a pretty significant threat considering that the suits that use it are infantry tanks and the size of its drum

your comparing a standard grade weapon(with longer range and lower damage) to a militia grade sidearm(which has the same damage as a standard grade sidearm) you also have what.... 3x the ammo a drum which means u out dps the smg and your drums last longer which is why u have slower reload...

AHMG has a max range almost on par with an AR but shorter optimum.... regardless why not instead compare the basic HMG to the basic SMG doesnt that then become something like 18dmg@2k RPM to 22.3dmg@1k RPM

Are you factoring the support and area denial functions the weapon had with its old arcing trajectory and larger splash area. Also, don't forget about the nanohive nerf and buffs to shields which neutered the weapon.

the max range of normal ARs is 65-71m(38-42m optimum) while the AHMG was 67-74m(40-45m optimum)

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886

I would like to say for the record that the Gek-38 AR, Duvolle AR (Not the Tactical one) and just the regular AR (counting Dren and Toxin) are automatics with 60 round mags. Honestly I find them more balanced than the Tactical AR's as well as saying that I find many of the AR's UU (in other-words Underused). People need to understand that the AR's are the most used weapon in any first person shooter. It is true that about 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's, but of that 75%, 45% did because the TAC's were the only liable option to keep up with the meta-game (level 5 AR operations at at least a level 1 AR proficiency).

D legendary you even heard me say I rather be killed by a Gek-38 or just a plain Duvolle before haven't you? Recall in beta, AR's were a good option to use but wasn't always the best option versus now where the TAC's are the solution to everything. Lowering the clip size to 18 bullets would make the "spray and pray" players think twice before shooting now. an increase in dispersion of hip-firing bullets will make to where the TAC's are not the go to weapon for CQC situations. Finally a lower rate of fire from the 789 rpm to hopefully 450 rpm will kill all "spray and pray" tactics along with trigger happy users and killing any use of the modded controller users from trying to make it an automatic weapon.

However this update with all the positives comes with one negative, recall I said 45% of the 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's just so they can use the TAC's. After this update (or after the damage Nerf of the TAC's update) about 45 or that 75% who spec into AR's will request a skill respec when this is all said and done with.

I think he's mad because I won a gun fight with him using a militia SMG by aiming for his head while behind cover or outrunning his rate of turn.

I would like to say for the record that the Gek-38 AR, Duvolle AR (Not the Tactical one) and just the regular AR (counting Dren and Toxin) are automatics with 60 round mags. Honestly I find them more balanced than the Tactical AR's as well as saying that I find many of the AR's UU (in other-words Underused). People need to understand that the AR's are the most used weapon in any first person shooter. It is true that about 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's, but of that 75%, 45% did because the TAC's were the only liable option to keep up with the meta-game (level 5 AR operations at at least a level 1 AR proficiency).

D legendary you even heard me say I rather be killed by a Gek-38 or just a plain Duvolle before haven't you? Recall in beta, AR's were a good option to use but wasn't always the best option versus now where the TAC's are the solution to everything. Lowering the clip size to 18 bullets would make the "spray and pray" players think twice before shooting now. an increase in dispersion of hip-firing bullets will make to where the TAC's are not the go to weapon for CQC situations. Finally a lower rate of fire from the 789 rpm to hopefully 450 rpm will kill all "spray and pray" tactics along with trigger happy users and killing any use of the modded controller users from trying to make it an automatic weapon.

However this update with all the positives comes with one negative, recall I said 45% of the 75% of the 514 community spec into AR's just so they can use the TAC's. After this update (or after the damage Nerf of the TAC's update) about 45 or that 75% who spec into AR's will request a skill respec when this is all said and done with.

... Caldari Scouts?

I think the problem here is that you think 'most' of the people shooting you with these weapons don't already have them maxed?

I would guess that more people have these maxed than not. So working as intended for non Tac AR's I'm afraid dude.

i am getting realy close to wanting to punch some FMs i the face the weapons are ******* broke the HMG does less damage then any weapon tell me how is that possible and use LOGIC